Thanks for reading! What's the cleanest subsonic ammo for target and suppression? Not likely it's the same old argument of .45 ACP vs. 9mm which the 9mm has won both times. The bullets design and its velocity at impact are far more important than calibera good 9mm+P hollowpoint works far better than .45 ACP hardball, and the right bullet in 9mm works better than the wrong bullet 100-200 f/s faster in .357. I think the guy up top that likes to carry a defensive coctail of three different ammo types has him beat. They fired 24 rounds of FMJ ammo and sent it back, saying it works fine. After now putting about 250-300 through it of ball ammo it is way more reliable now with the hollow points BUT even better with Hornady Critical Defense (due to the nose design). Penetration depth is right in the middle of the zone, great expansion, and good velocity for a short barrel. of energy at the muzzle, making the 45-70 the most powerful cartridge in our bear-gun lineup. There are a few things that set a home defense gun apart from a carry gun or a range gun. Also keep in mind that force is physics energy is mass velocity squared so you actually get more bang for your buck so to speak out of velocity. Hornady Critical Defense Ammo 45 Long Colt 185GR FTX. Taurus G2/G2C G3/G3C PT-111 TH-9; Ruger P89, P95 KEL-TEC P-11 Walther PPS40; SCCY CPX-1, CPX-2; Beretta 92, M9; CZ 75, 85, SP-01, P-10 C Shadow 9MM DoubleStack Magazine Speed Loader QL9Y (Black) . The list was made before I was an editor here ;) next time we update it I plan on adding Hornady Critical Duty Duty +P, and Defense. Noob here and I'm looking to practice with what I plan to use for defense. A robust line of perfect go-to self-defense revolvers offered in a variety of calibers. Taurus G3. Taurus G2/G2C G3/G3C PT-111 TH-9 Ruger P89 P95 KEL-TEC P-11 Walther PPS40; SCCY CPX-1, CPX-2, DVG-1; Beretta 92, M9; CZ 75, 85, SP-01, P-10 C Shadow 9MM Magazine Speed Loader, QL9Y NeonGreen Teal . I would also like to reload the brass. There are slews of reports of suspects hit multiple times with big stuff that keep fighting. Hey Ken, we do our best to update prices regularly but with the current market it's tough to keep up sometimes. And I have seen victims hit in a sensitive area drop with a .22. make the function of the gun the issue! The next step for Taurus after the G3 series, is its brand-new micro compact GX4 in 9mm. 3) Winchester PDX1 Defender 124gr + P Examples? One of them knew just enough stats to be dangerous. Most pistols will cycle these bullets ok but the magazine may not drop freely if the nose of the bullet is pooched out a little. Suggest you lookup Lucky Gunners handgun defensive ammunition ballistic testing reviews for 9, .357, ,40, and ,45 calibers and properly educate yourselflink below. The Sig V Crown and ball ammo run perfectly through all my handguns an pcc's. Nah, most any modern 9mm, even a Taurus, should handle +P just fine. Remove . Thanksjawalton. Is that the case? You should be good to go -- get some training when you can! Just curious as to how you feel about the fluted defensive ammunition like the Underwood Ammo and the Black Hills Honey Badger. Did you try any frangibles? I'm not a fan of super lightweight ammo though. It's pricey but go big or go home. And what works best in 9mm seems to be: www.midwayusa.com. Feder hydra shok comes in hollow point too. So my G2S carries good old standard type open nosed defense rounds and the G3C gets Hornady CD rounds. I carry Cor-Bon 115-grain +P JHP (1350 f/s, 4 bbl, maybe 1300 from my shorter gun) in my Kahr; 9 of penetration, one-shot stops with a hit to the body cavity ~90% of the time (about as well as you can do with the 9mm, which is the least-powerful fully-adequate cartridge for serious self-defense, in my long-and deeply-considered opinion), and good accuracyexcept that around home where I have neighbors in all directions to not injure, the magazine in the gun is loaded with Glaser Silver. Why did you leave out critical duty 135 flexlock . The Ultimate Guide To Kel tec p 17 Almost all good self-defense ammo is JHP while there's some unjacketed lead hollow points in revolver calibers (such as .38 Special). You left out the BEST JHP for SD/EDC, Winchester Ranger T-SERIES. Hornandy critical defense not on this list. I was talking to it trying to comfort it, and all during that time it never moved its hind legs, or even flinched its tail: something all cats are hard-wired to do. So, for those of you out there with a lot more experience with this type of firearm, or shooting 9mm ammo in particular, what would your recommendations be for the best ammunition for a G3C, or any sub-compact pistol, and is +P too much ammo for this gun. Shot placement with handguns trumps all. Excellent expansion, ok penetration. Please rewrite this article. So in the end expansion velocity and penetration are the keys energy is the by product. I mean you seriously overlooked Winchester Ranger RA9T? Taurus GX4 A Micro-Compact 9mm with Class Leading Capacity . I have a Taurus 111 millennium G2 with Lake Line metal guide rod and a G3C and the seem to eat anything I feed them . Or just stay wedded to your out-dated ideas, which are contrary to the facts? When I'm putting one in the chamber it's popping out like its too small. HST 124, 124 SIG V-CROWN, CRITICAL DEFENSE(you get 5 extra rounds), 124 Standard Pressure Gold Dots, and Gorilla Ammo Inc. makes some gangster wickedly awesome stuff in both 115 and 135. Agreed. We personally prefer the 124 gr since it is less snappy than the 115 gr to us. This is about the most ignorant post here. Look up shooting the bull 9mm AmmoSeek quest . But we recommend you try a couple of weights and make sure they cycle 100% in your self-defense gun. Any idea what length PMC uses to test its 9mm ammo? I felt like I was shooting a quite heavy .22 On the other hand I haven't tried out any of the +P, or +P+ with the extra powder as of yet. Using standard 38 loads in this light piece she can't hit the side of a barn. And after checking several websites, I've discovered that my local range offers the best price. Features. Shooting through the material and busting through the bone THEN see the how the bullet holds up after busting through clothing Bone and traveling through the epidermis and tissue. *Update*:This year has been up and down in terms of demandbut currently things are holding steady. The 147 grain is way too slow, usually under-loaded so they dont always even function the pistol reliably, least kinetic energy, least likely to expand, and then not much, and most likely to over-penetrate There seems to be a threshold somewhere between 1200 and 1300 f/s where cavitation (splash cavity, temporary cavity) starts to contribute to the size of the permanent wound cavitytissue is liquefied and splashed sideways fast enough to crush and tear the surrounding tissue, and you get a wound larger than the expanded bullet. Ditto, as a retired LEO SWAT Sniper and current firearms instructor, I've done a great deal of research and testing. It's not the grains of powder it's all 9 mm sure more grains of powder more firepower I get at feet per 2nd what about hollow points. Pretty simple and pretty cheap to make. The Hornady Critical Defense .45 Long Colt is for speed demons and distance shootouts. Until recently, HST bullets, which have a copper jacket and lead core, were only available to law enforcement professionals. Plus the best range plinking ammo for bulk shooting. With a matte-black steel slide, three-dot sights, a polymerframe, a 4.0-inch barrel, and a trigger safety, Taurus's new G3 9mm semiautomatic pistol might not sound like anything new, but it is. FPE is the most overrated statistic talking SD ballistics. She can group this load in a teacup. That is incredibly low. Working with the new GX4 micro sub . I'm a few weeks away from attaining my first 9mm Glock. There is not telling what the current chest cavity configuration may even look like. It is a bad way to learn for me, but NEVER go for a heart lung shot on a wounded or injured animal. We're all bad-asses until were not. Promag makes longer magazines for the gun that are extended that hold more ammo if you want but reliability might be dubious, as Promag does not have the best reputation. Be careful and be well. trigger, designed with a smooth take-up and a surprisingly crisp, clean break exceeding that of typical striker-fired pistol trigger performance. Taurus 327; Taurus 380; Taurus 605; Taurus 856; Taurus 905; Taurus 942; 856 Executive Grade; A robust line of perfect go-to self-defense revolvers offered in a variety of calibers. The sights featured three dot inserts for speed and accuracy. Greetings Eric: In my EDC 9mm (Taurus G2C or G3 as I have both) I use a combo load; 115 grain Geco JHP, 124 grain+P Speer Gold Dot JHP, and then the Federal 147 grain JHP High-Shok. BY FAR THE BEST 9MM ROUND AVAILABLE SMH ALL MY SPECIAL FORCES BUDDYS USE THEM FOR A REASON. I understand you cannot be constantly updating pricing, but this is a 150% increase, making the information totally outdated and useless. 5. Well, it finally happened. What the best self defense ammo for Taurus g3c "non lead". Other JHP ammo has done fine, so just avoid the Ammo Inc. Rate them below! If you want to see the full results from Lucky Gunner, check out their post here. I am somewhat concerned about hurting an innocent person with a bullet that passes right on through an attacker. So, are you going to get on the bus? On my search for the best defensive rounds for me & my firearm, I've been cycling through a few different types (FMJ [range practice]/JHP/Fluted/Synthetic), manufactures (Underwood/PPU/Blazer/Speer/Sig Sauer, Federaletc), and weights (from 65gr up to 185gr) of 9mm rounds to find my sweet spot. Copyright 2023 Pew Pew Media, Inc. All rights reserved. - David. Federal HST or 147 gr. Whats the difference between hp and jhp . Thats ridiculous. Example: I carry a Ruger P95 with 65 grain Xtreme Defenders factory loaded in the +P category rated at 1800 FPS while delivering something like 465 FPE to the target at 10 yards. Hey how are you, I'm surprised not to see my favorite on your list ( hornady critical duty) 135, is it that it is not as good as the others. The U.S. Border Patrol gets in more gunfights than any other American police agency. That's pure imagination. 12-18" in gelatin does not directly translate to that same distance in living tissue; that number was decided upon based on comparison of the cartridges used in real life debilitating shots then being tested in gelatin. I'm sorry you had to go through that, I actually had to deal with almost the same situation a few weeks ago minus the storm. I am having a hard time finding ballistics on the Fiochhi. Overall, the pistol has nice lines and looks smart. Seriously? Thanks Eric, very informative and with no bias. Some steel-cased ammo has a projectile with a mild steel core, but some does not. . Pew Pew and carry on. If you're still looking for a defensive ammo, I recommend Hornady Critical Duty. Thank you for the kind words. I shoot them sparingly just to make sure that the brands I have cycle through without issue. Get proficient on YOUR time. Imagine if we could bring some of the Old West gun fighters and they saw all the nonsense over caliber, they'd probably take out their single action pistol and Pimp Slap you to death with it at tell you to quit your crying . Did I make the wrong choices? Price and performance are comparable to Hornady Critical Defense. anything extra and your You may want to review the testing, Hornady has very good 9mm, .45 ACP, and .380 offerings. Buy On Amazon. Cats, dogs and other animals really suffer from that. But I am sure you both had a lot more to add if this discussion hadn't required putting M&S (once again, sigh) to bed. I love your site, you guys were a big factor in helping me decide on my first handgun purchase (Glock 17) - thank you for that. 9mm bullets lighter than 115 grains rarely penetrate adequately. I have, and don't like it because while all the numbers sound right, it doesn't live up to the hype. All dependably shoot all 5 types of ammo in this review. I dread risking what I have left in hearing in a self defense shooting. Range ammo is more about reliability and cost-effectiveness. Hornady Critical Defense 115-Grain. Barnes, and Winchester T Series are better than anything listed here. Weve got a dedicated section for the AR-15 here. Ive shot A LOT of PMC ammo through the years in both pistol and rifle cartridges. The Taurus Judge is an American favorite that's not really best at anything, other than giving the shooter a tonne of fun. instant death. The design of the bullet is vital; the best seem to spin off a few large fragments while 2/3 or so of the bullet, well expanded, goes all the way through, or stops under the skin on the far side. First, the Fort Scott brand has a large wound channel and great penetration through denim and solid objects such as wood, glass or metal. When it gets more "experience" under it I think it will be One of the three best absolutely and I am the one who left you the plus review I was surprised to see you knew what Fort Scott Was I seriously doubt the writer of this post has a clue what it is lol. Includes two magazines 1x15 and 1x17. But dont take my word for it. If this is the case I'll just By-Pass this brand/Model AR and move to other entry level AR's. Speer Gold Dots are the key. In 1971 a majority stake in Taurus was purchased by the parent company of Smith & Wesson, which lead to the two firearms manufacturers sharing design and manufacturing details up until they . I personally like loads at higher velocities Corbon, Double Tap have always performed very well for me. One thing to be aware of is that all-copper bullets, e.g. This ammo's main objective is to make sure that people can access the best and cheap ammo for the 9mm concealed carry. Old thinking. Details, Fiction And kel tec p 17 but it started to get vewry dirty,It seems snapier than the Fiocchi. No matter what I did, or how I tried, it wouldn't let me get near it as it became fierce enough to put the fear of God in me. Self Defense 4 item; Concealed Carry 3 item; Barrel Length. Horsesqueeze, handgun bullets DON'T put people down..Been hearing that crap about "The .45 will knock you down" Bs for over 30 years. Nickel S&W 586 with Ebony grips. has to overview the security within your relationship prior to continuing. Unless you have a century-old Spanish pistol, you probably don't need this ammo. 9mm doesnt cut it. Eric, was there any reason why you did not include Hornady Critical Defense? Weve shot thousands of these and they are reliable, clean shooting, and economical.